MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY – SHAWN NICHOLSON MICHAEL BENNETT DISCUSSES HIS CAREER AS A PRODUCTION WORKER, ALTERNATE COMMITTEEMAN AND UAW LOCAL 602 VICE PRESIDENT AT THE FISHER BODY PLANT IN LANSING MI Cheryl McQuaid: I am Cheryl McQuaid. It's September 14th at approximately 9 a.m. We're at the UAW Local 602 Hall. We're getting ready to, uh, interview Mike Bennett. Uh, first we're gonna introduce the rest of the people in the room. John Fedewa: John Fedewa. Linda Johnson: Linda Johnson. Kathryn Berry: Kathy Berry. Doreen Howard: Doreen Howard. Marilyn Coulter: Marilyn Coulter. Michael Fleming: And Mike Fleming. Cheryl McQuaid: [0:23] Uh, Mike, could you tell us your name and spell it out for the record? Michael Bennett: Uh, Michael Bennett, M-I-C-H-A-E-L B-E-N-N-E-T-T. Cheryl McQuaid: [0:34] And what is your address? Michael Bennett: 1104 Gidner Road, Charlotte, Michigan. Cheryl McQuaid: And you're, of course, male. [0:42] Um, are you married. [0:43] Do you have children? Michael Bennett: Uh, yeah, I'm married. Uh, I have 4 children, 1 stepchild, 6 grandchildren and another grandchild on the way. [laughter] Cheryl McQuaid: [0:55] And what is your age? Michael Bennett: 54. [laughter] Cheryl McQuaid: [1:02] Your national origin? Michael Bennett: U.S. Cheryl McQuaid: [1:06] White? [laughter] Okay. Michael Bennett: N-, national origin U.S., white, whatever. [laughter] Cheryl McQuaid: [1:11] Um, military [banging] service? [1:13] Did you serve in the military? Michael Bennett: No, I did not. Cheryl McQuaid: [1:17] And I guess now I'd like to know the date you hired in and what department did you hire in at? Michael Bennett: Uh, I hired in December 16, 1970, into the Trim Department on the M line. Cheryl McQuaid: [1:31] Do you remember your first boss, your first job? Michael Bennett: Uh, my first boss was Dick [Phalen 1:40]. My first job? What did I do that first job? I was installing, uh, driver’s side power window buttons into the doors. Cheryl McQuaid: [1:54] And was that first shift or second shift? Michael Bennett: Second shift. Cheryl McQuaid: Second shift. [1:59] Do you have any other family in the plant? [clanking] Michael Bennett: No. Cheryl McQuaid: [2:03] No other family? Michael Bennett: No oth-, none o-, nope. Cheryl McQuaid: [2:06] Uh, were you ever laid off? Michael Bennett: Mm-hm. [laughter] A time or two. [laughter] Uh, actually I was laid off 1 stretch. Um, usually I just got moved around the plant but I – in the oil, oil embargo in the ‘70s, I got laid off in, uh, February of 1974 and I worked a few short stretches in between there and then they called me back permanently in, uh, March of 1976. [thumping] Cheryl McQuaid: [2:43] Why did you hire into Fisher Body? Michael Bennett: Uh, basically it was more benefits than anything. I had a job that was paying almost the same money but it was more the ben-, I knew the benefits was a lot better. Cheryl McQuaid: [2:55] Do you have any, um, special memories that you'd like to share with us? Michael Bennett: [laughter] Aww, there’s just – I don’t know. Really, I – there's so many things happening there that, eh, it's hard to say anything was special [inaudible 3:10] most of’m were good anyway. Cheryl McQuaid: [3:12] Do you have a favorite boss that you worked for? Michael Bennett: [sighing] Boy [pause] probably one of the best I worked for I thought was Bob [Damon 3:23]. Cheryl McQuaid: Um, very nice guy. Uh… [laughter] Female: [3:33] When did you, uh, run for office, Mike, in the union. Michael Bennett: Um, 19 [tsk] – oh, boy. I'm trying to think exactly what year that was. Early 80s, ’80-, [sighing] about ’82, I believe, was the first time I held office. Female: [3:52] And what – as a committee person or…? Michael Bennett: [Inaudible 3:54] committee. Yes. Female: Um… Michael Bennett: I think about the same time, I also, uh, went on the Election Committee. Female: Uh-huh. [clanking] [4:05] And where’d you go from that because you did end up as at least vice president? Michael Bennett: I – yeah, I was vice president for 6 years. Female: [Inaudible 4:13]. Michael Bennett: Um… Female: [4:14] What years was that? Michael Bennett: Uh, 19- [laughter] [inaudible 4:19] home too and I'm trying to – it's terrible. I'm terrible at years. Um, ’90-, [sh-sh-sh] 3 to ’99. I think ’99 would have been an election year if I remember right. Female: Mm-hm. [4:37] And who was president when you were vice president? Michael Bennett: Garry Bernath. Female: Gary. [4:42] And d-, did you hold any other offices besides…? Michael Bennett: [Inaudible 4:45] Committee, Alternate Committee. Uh, like I say, I was… Female: Mm-hm. Michael Bennett: …Chairman of the Election Committee for quite a few years. In fact, I gave that up to run for vice president… Female: Okay. Michael Bennett: …so. Cheryl McQuaid: So you w-, you hired in in M trim. [4:57] What – did you work in any other departments? Michael Bennett: [laughter] How many more departments are there in there? That’s how many I worked in. [laughter] Cheryl McQuaid: [5:02] Oh, really, you were everywhere? Michael Bennett: I worked in every department in there. [laughter] I worked in Paint, uh, down in the Hardware, what they used to call the Hardware back [tapping] years ago. Uh, they call it what – Hard and Soft Trim now? Female: Mm-hm. Michael Bennett: We use to call it hardware. Um, I nev-, the [cushion 5:14] room had already gone. They had partials in the, in the plant itself. It's not – I never did work in that area. But as far as Paint, Trim, Body Shop, I worked in all of’m. Cheryl McQuaid: [5:23] What were some of the jobs you did in Paint? Michael Bennett: I was there a short while and that was long enough. [laughter] Male: [Inaudible 5:28] Michael Bennett: I, I sprayed sealer inside the doors, so. Cheryl McQuaid: [5:32] And in the Body Shop, did you… Michael Bennett: Uh, boy. Cheryl McQuaid: …spotweld or…? Michael Bennett: Uh, I've done everything down there, spotweld, [med 5:38] welded, uh, like I said earlier when we talked, uh, I was a coordinator there. When I retired, I was a coordinator. Um, about anything there was to do because I was on Utility down there for years too, so I've done about everything down there there was to do. Cheryl McQuaid: [5:53] So you spent a lot of time in the Body Shop? Michael Bennett: Uh, most of my time was spent in the Body Shop. Yeah. Marilyn Coulter: [5:59] So out of the 3 different departments, was the Body Shop your favorite place to work and, if so, why? Michael Bennett: Actually, it wasn’t my favorite [laughter] 'cause I also worked on Inspection for a f-, a couple years and that was actually my favorite… Marilyn Coulter: [6:14] Now when… Michael Bennett: …’cause… Marilyn Coulter: …you did inspection, was that in Body Shop or in Trim? Michael Bennett: That was in Trim. That was final trim. Female: Mm-hm. Michael Bennett: It's for repair. Um, that was actually my favorite. Body Shop was – [thumping] I guess after that, uh, Body Shop was probably my s-, best or my favorite for the simple fact I could make moves there if I n-, wanted to or needed to. Um, then like now on Inspection, if you haven't got a lotta seniority, you don’t go to days for a starter and that was one of the main reasons I went to Body Shop. Marilyn Coulter: [6:42] So when you say make moves, does that mean change jobs? Michael Bennett: Back, [laughter] back when I went into the Body Shop, you could change jobs about every other week if you wanted to. That’s how easy it was to move around. I mean it is – it was a lot different than what the setup is now for, for applying for jobs. Uh, basically if a job come open, you said you – especially with – if [inaudible 7:05] have him handy, um, tell’m y-, you want that job. If nobody else asked for it, you got it, you know? Marilyn Coulter: Yeah. Michael Bennett: So, eh, it m-, [laughter] it made that – it was that easy. Marilyn Coulter: [7:12] W-, now what kind of work – you said you had – you came in not for the benefits. What kind of job did you do before you came in here? Michael Bennett: Um, yeah, at the time I come in, I was actually a stockperson at Universal Electric in Owosso. Marilyn Coulter: So you were working in a stock. [7:29] So that was kind of like a parts plant more or less? Michael Bennett: No. They built electric motors... Marilyn Coulter: Okay. Michael Bennett: …and what – I just, uh, rows of steel I had to hang, um, uh, when they filled their baskets up, uh, with the rotors that go inside of a motor. I would have to take them and, and stock’m [clanking] up – stack’m up someplace. Marilyn Coulter: [7:47] So what did you think when you came inside this building and I – in Fisher Body in 1970? [throat clearing] [7:56] Was it much like the same? Was it [okay 7:57]? Michael Bennett: Compared to now, you mean? Marilyn Coulter: [8:00] Compared to where you worked before? Michael Bennett: Oh, bef-, where I worked before? Um, [pause] once, once you get in the o-, it wasn’t that much di-, it was, it was a factory, you know. Marilyn Coulter: Mm-hm. Michael Bennett: A factory was a factory back then as far as I am – was concerned. Marilyn Coulter: [Okay 8:17]. Michael Bennett: But, uh, the aspect of a lot more people. Um, I guess the place I worked before was a – more of a family oriented… Marilyn Coulter: Mm-hm. Michael Bennett: …so it took it a little bit different here. You had to be outgoing in order to get – know a little more people. Okay? [laughter] Marilyn Coulter: Okay. [8:33] So, um, did you get close to people here? Michael Bennett: Uh, I made some good friends in here. Yes. Marilyn Coulter: Mm-hm. [8:40] What are some of the types of things that you guys did that you think brought you close together? Michael Bennett: Oh, goodness. Um, back years ago, motorcycle riding was one of’m and, uh, [laughter] [inaudible 8:52]. That’s, that’s a group, you know, all in itself but, uh, sports, uh, mainly hunting and fishing-type things is what I got into a lot with a lotta people. Marilyn Coulter: With coworkers, so you did a lot of outside things. [9:03] Were there any types of things that took place inside the plant that you thought brought you close toge-, together? Michael Bennett: Hm. Marilyn Coulter: [9:09] Were there dinners? [9:10] Were there pranks? Michael Bennett: We used to have a lotta dinners. I r-… Cheryl McQuaid: [9:14] Pranks? Michael Bennett: Pranks? [laughter] No, we never done nothing like that. [laughter] Marilyn Coulter: From the look on your face, it seems like you have a couple pranks you might want to share. Michael Bennett: I, I c-, right off hand, I can't think of any but I, I know there had to have been some. [laughter] Uh, I don’t know [what 9:33]. [laughter] I know one we used – w-, I do remember one. I – you probably all know’m – know this one too. We used to love to take the, uh, wallet and lay it down in the aisle with grease on the bottom side. That was a good one. [laughter] We loved that one. Marilyn Coulter: Uh, someone would go to pick up that wallet and get a handful of grease. Michael Bennett: Full of grease. That was good one. Either that or hang the hose up over above’m and give’m a spray as they walk under. That was 2, 2 – we liked both of them. [laughter] Marilyn Coulter: [Okay 10:01]. [coughing] [10:03] So, um, when you, when you worked down there and you went in in Inspection, um, did you see – and what made you get involved? You worked on the line. You worked in these different departments and then you became a committee representative. [10:18] What made you want to get involved with the union? Michael Bennett: Um, [pause] I, I always read the book to start with. I mean, I [act 10:31] and I done a lotta reading and I always read the contract when it come out and [sighing] actually I was working nightshift and people would always come up to me and ask me questions about the contract and this went on, I don’t know, a year or two and, um, at the time I just started dating my wife that, that I'm married to and, uh, she says why don’t you just run for committee? Everybody asks you the questions anyway and you give’m the answers, why don’t you just run? [laughter] That’s why I ran for [laughter] committee. So, [laughter] actually it was, it was a push from, from her. You know, I was doing it anyway. Why not do it like you're supposed to, you know? Marilyn Coulter: Well that’s great. So I will just go back to that. [11:17] You said you, you met your wife here? Michael Bennett: I certainly… Marilyn Coulter: [11:20] At the plant? Michael Bennett: …did. Marilyn Coulter: Oh. [11:22] And now were you all in the same department? Was that… Michael Bennett: [Inaudible 11:24] worked [across the hall 11:25] from each other. [laughter] [banging] Marilyn Coulter: [Wow 11:28]. [11:29] And the rest was a sh-, a shop love story, huh? Michael Bennett: Basically. [laughter] Marilyn Coulter: Good. Um… Doreen Howard: Well let's hear about it. Female: Yeah. [11:42] What’d you do on your first date with your wife? [throat clearing] Female: [Inaudible 11:45]. [laughter] Michael Bennett: Can we talk about that in here. [laughter] No. No. [laughter] [coughing] Uh… Doreen Howard: Where’d you take her on your first date? Michael Bennett: Uh, actually the first time we went out, we just went out after work and had a few drinks. Doreen Howard: Mm-hm. Okay. Marilyn Coulter: [11:59] Um, how is it do you f-, how do you feel that it was – w-, was it easy for you to have a relationship with somebody here in the plant? [12:08] Did the plant hold a big part in it? [12:10] Um, did you, you know, how do you feel about that? Michael Bennett: [sighing] [pause] I see nothing wrong with it myself. Uh, I guess when you start talking plant relationships, um, if there are ones that don’t affect people and they hurt somebody else along the way, which mine didn’t because we were both single at the time, so, um, that type of relationship, yeah. Female: Mm-hm. Marilyn Coulter: [Well that’s good 12:41]. Michael Bennett: Some of the other ones spawn bad things, you know, so. [laughter] Marilyn Coulter: They do. Um… Cheryl McQuaid: [12:50] Do you remember anybody that had any special artistic talents that you worked by or that you, uh, was able to get to know from working in the plant or… Michael Bennett: Oh, goodness. Cheryl McQuaid: …that used to do government jobs for you or…? Michael Bennett: [laughter] Uh, [pause] right off hand, I can't [clinking] think of anything. You know, I mean, eh, I knew a lotta people in there that we all done stuff for each other but as far as [sighing] any big specific things, I, I don’t really guess so. I mean it was just [clanking] I help you, you help me. Uh, that’s the way we were, so. Cheryl McQuaid: [13:39] So you found a lotta cama-, camaraderie and…? Michael Bennett: I got to know very lotta people – very amount – a large amount of people. Yes. [Where they're 13:47] – even, even just working in the plant. Uh, like I say, one-, once I went on as vice president, I got to know a lot more people, so. [laughter] And that’s, you know, that’s one – the bad thing about nowadays, I [sprinted 13:59] a lotta them people and lotta times I'll know a face but I can't – I knew – talked to so many people that a name I can never come up with. [laughter] I mean like some of the people sittin’ in this room, I knew the face but, uh, a name, actually I couldn't remember your name until they r-, [tapping] you told me again [laughter] and so. Cheryl McQuaid: That’s okay. Michael Bennett: [laughter] But I knew, uh, I knew who you were. I mean so… Cheryl McQuaid: Yeah. Michael Bennett: …you know? Marilyn Coulter: [14:27] So, Mike, when did you retire? Michael Bennett: November 1, 2000. Marilyn Coulter: [14:32] So being in here from 1970 to 2000 and being an hourly worker and part of leadership, what are some of the biggest changes you, you thought were the biggest impacts for GM and Local 602? Michael Bennett: Oh, [whew] um, some of the biggest changes, I think, was the committee people and their – in later years back, eh, eh, up till the time I retired and even now, um, they can't get things done as easily as we used to back in the, eh, at ’70s and ’80s. I mean, we could go in and talk to a supervisor and get somethin’ done right then. [knocking] Nowadays they have to go talk to somebody upstairs, you know? Female: Mm-hm. Michael Bennett: I think that’s one of the biggest changes I've seen in, in – and as far as – and it wasn’t for the good but th-, I mean, that’s the change, you know? Marilyn Coulter: Mm-hm. [15:37] So there’s like a longer time to get things done? Michael Bennett: A lot longer time to get things done. Marilyn Coulter: [15:41] Um, how did you feel about all the different name changes that Fisher Body went through? Michael Bennett: [laughter] If you could keep up with’m you were doing good. [laughter] Uh, I've always called it Fisher Body and I always will. Let's put it that way. So I mean the name changes, that was on the building but as far as I'm concerned, it was Fisher Body. Marilyn Coulter: Hm. [16:03] So, um, um, when, um, you hired in and – now did you, you participated in, in the strikes [stuttering] does any strike stand out to you? Michael Bennett: Actually, I [don’t even 16:21] remember what year it was now. Um, we went out for 2 days and I can't remember the year now – because I spent, uh, it was in [sighing] early ’90s. I don’t remember which year, Um, but we were out for a couple days, [throat clearing] 3 days, I think it was, um, so I spent most of that – 2 days here at the Hall. Uh, as being on the Election Committee, that actually falls under the chairman of the Strike Committee when it comes to it for doing p-, things on strike, whether people… Female: Hm. Michael Bennett: …know that or not, it does. Um, I spent a good part of that 2 days here with [Andy Granby 17:108]. He was the Strike Chair at the time. Female: Mm-hm. Michael Bennett: Uh, helping him, you know, making coffee rounds around to the gates and stuff. Uh, I helped, uh, set up so we could get the doughnuts everyday down to [Myers 17:20]. I went down and talked to them s-, that type a stuff, so. And it's terrible I don’t remember the year but [laughter]. Uh, you know, that’s actually the only strike. We've had a couple shutdowns because of strikes elsewhere but that’s actually the only strike I've been through and, uh, like I say, in ’70, I hired in right after the big strike of ’70, so. Female: [Yeah 17:37]. Marilyn Coulter: So… Cheryl McQuaid: [17:40] Do you recall what we were on strike for? Michael Bennett: Oh, boy, I'm trying to think what it was that year. Hm. Yeah, I think it had to do with benefits [clanking] if I remember right. That was the hold up. But I ca-, I don’t remember for sure. Cheryl McQuaid: [18:01] [tsk] Speaking of benefits, what's your most appreciated bargained benefit? Michael Bennett: Uh, [laughter] definitely your healthcare. I mean that’s – [clanking] I mean you can get by with less classes if you need to, uh, that type a thing but your hospitalization, healthcare, doctors, without that, uh, eh, eh – and the people that don’t have healthcare to cover that nowadays, I don’t see how they afford it. Marilyn Coulter: [18:34] So, um, [inaudible 18:37] what was it like to be the vice president of a Local? [rattling] Michael Bennett: [tsk] Uh, [throat clearing] nerve-racking at times. [laughter] Uh, [sighing] I guess people expect you to know everything and be able to do everything. Female: Mm-hm. [clanking] Michael Bennett: Uh, you know, as president or vice president, if you're happen to be sitting in the position, um, [clanking] and you can't do that. I mean, you know, people expect you to b-, be their committeeman, go in the plant and take care of things for’m. It's – people don’t realize actually what the job actually is, um, a-, it's mai-, more of a PR job than anything, um, basically PR job. Uh, yeah, you do, you, you do get into other things, you have to know other things, [throat clearing] uh, as far as contracts and stuff because when people come talk to you if you don’t know what's going on with the contract, you can't talk to’m properly. So that’s one thing you, you need to know and I – [laughter] people that run for that – for the president or the vice president’s position, as far as I'm concerned should've at somes where down the line been on committee because if they haven't been, they don’t know the procedures and everything even though they think they do. They haven't been through it to know what they are. Female: Mm-hm. Michael Bennett: Um, [clanking] just the experience of it helps when you're talking to people while you're sittin’ in that position, so. Marilyn Coulter: [20:12] What would you say was the most rewarding thing you got to do as vice president or when you acted as president? Michael Bennett: [gutturals] Probably one of the most rewarding, I know there's been a few times where I've, I've got back with – had to get with people, um, even upper management in the plant, um, and like I say, you, you k-, you're not a committeeperson but sometimes you act as one once in a while to… Female: Mm-hm. Michael Bennett: …to try to help things along and probably [clanking] doing something like that [throat clearing] and making sure that somebody gets their job back or don’t lose their job is probably one of the most gratifying as far as [rattling] I'm concerned. Marilyn Coulter: Um, Lansing Fisher Body UAW has always been known as the capital of quality. People have always said we had a wonderful workforce. [21:07] What would you say causes that? You know? [21:13] What, what makes us different? Michael Bennett: [tsk] [background conversation] I think probably the camaraderie of the people [rattling] in here is probably one of the biggest things. [rattling] Um, I know I've talked to people in [rattling] other plants, uh, been in other plants, you know, uh, on tours and stuff, eh, uh, and you see a lot more people participation and camaraderie in this plant that you do in most any pl-, plant I've ever s-, been in. So I think that’s got… Female: Mm-hm. Michael Bennett: …a lot to do with it. Michael Fleming: Mike, you were involved in one of the greatest launch of an automobile in our facility ever, which was the J car, if I remember… Michael Bennett: Yeah, I was. Male: …correctly. As we go into, eh, the new environment, we're going to launch another new vehicle at the Delta plant. [22:09] I want you to talk about what it took and what type of relationships that union and management [clanking] had within our facility to make us have that great launch and what we look forward to in the future. Michael Bennett: Hm. Yeah. That was a lotta work. Um, [rattling] we've probably got more [rattling] cooperation between union and management in that launch than we've ever had. Uh, they let us, as far as the union, give us a lotta leeway on, on things that we could do. Um, the people that, that were in the front stages of that, uh, which I was one of’m. I set up – was one of the people that set up the complete underbody in the Body Shop for that launch. Um, [thumping] they gave us a leeway of being able to change equipment, uh, amount of people, all that type stuff and for the company to do that [thumping], that’s saying, you know, they trust us to, to, to believe that, [thumping] that we know what we're talking about and I think that was probably one of the biggest things that helped that launch [outgrow 23:18] like it did. Michael Fleming: [23:22] So as we go forward to our Delta plant with the same workforce pretty much, uh, talk about what you think it's going to take and what, what our relationship is. [23:32] What do you see [for it 23:33]? [tapping] Michael Bennett: Well from what I know of what's going on out there right now, eh, they're pretty much on the same type line. Um, so I'm hoping and I'm expecting it, it should be as well accepted as what the J car launch was when we, when we first went to it. Um, I know with it being an all new plant, um, it's gonna be a lot different for the fact that the people knew this plant. Whether they went out for a while, they come back, it mighta been reconfigured and changed [tapping] around a little bit but they knew the plant. Uh, with the new plant, uh, [thumping] they're gonna be a little, little different because they’ve gotta learn that plant. You know, they knew this one and they’ve gotta learn that one. But all around between from what I know of between union and management out there, um, it's flowing good and I expect it to be as a good a launch as what we had on J car. Michael Fleming: And in the past, um, we've had various, um, corporation people come in and look at our plant and they wonder how we could start on a bottom floor, wind our way up to the second floor, end up on the third floor, ship bodies across town and be the most productive in North American operations. [24:50] Talk about that, Mike. Michael Bennett: [laughter] There’s only 1 word for that, that’s the people. Th-, that’s, that’s it. Period. I mean without the people there to do that, uh, like I s-, we – t-, just a little while ago, you know, the camaraderie of’m and everything. Without them people, that plant wouldn't be what it was. Uh, you could put 3,000 different people in there and it wouldn't be the same. They wouldn't get it done. Cheryl McQuaid: Mike, I really appreciate you allowing us to interview you and I, uh, thank you very much. Marilyn Coulter: I got 1 other question. Just 1 other question [inaudible 25:28]. [25:29] Mike, well you retired now but are you still active with the union? Michael Bennett: Yes. Actually, right now I was just selected for my second term as vice chair [of the 25:37] retirees. Marilyn Coulter: [26:39] Why do you find it, um – why do you be involved with the retirees chapter and why do you think the [laughter] union involvement is important? Michael Bennett: Um, I gotta friend that retired at the same time I did and we fish together all the time and, uh, this’ll, this’ll answer your question. Um, [laughter] when he calls me and wants to go fishing, I say well I gotta go to a retiree’s meeting or I've gotta go to something for the retirees. He said I though you retired. And I says well I did retire. I retired from the shop but I didn’t retire from the people. Female: [Inaudible 26:05]. Michael Bennett: That answers that well, I think. Female: [Good 26:08]. Marilyn Coulter: Okay. [26:09] If you had – for the new people coming in and those coming behind you, what's the biggest thing you could say about – what's the best advice you could give them? Michael Bennett: [sighing] Get involved in your union. Believe in your union. Uh, there's too many people in there that, that don’t. Uh, the ones that do, I applaud’m and that would be my thing, to get involved in your union so you understand what it's about and be part of it. Marilyn Coulter: Thank you. Thank you for taking time. Cheryl McQuaid: Thank you, Mike. Male: Thanks, Mike. Female: Thanks, Mike. /lo