Interview of Anna Spillman Atteberry on her service in the U.S. Army Nurse Corps during WWII Ruth Stewart: [0:02] This interview for the, uh, Veterans History Project is being done on Anna Spillman… Anna Atteberry: Atteberry. Ruth Stewart: [0:12] Atteberry [laughter] on April the 2nd, 2007. Interviewers are Ruth Stewart and Trish Martin. This is done in San Antonio, Texas. Ann, tell us, as we start out, about your early life, where you were born, what your life was like as a girl growing up. Anna Atteberry: I was born in, uh, West [inaudible 0:39] Parish, Louisiana. I lived in the country and I was the oldest of 6 children. Uh, I walked to school the first 3 years, over a mile and a half, on muddy roads and I had to cross 2 streams to get to school. Well, when I finally got to the 5th grade, we were lucky, we got a school bus that went into town. See, I’m a child of the Depression. We didn’t have a lot, believe me. And, uh, I went through – our school was small, really. When I graduated from high school, I think there was all of about 20 students. Our parents, uh, worked hard but they didn’t have a lot of money back in the ‛30s and when I finished high school, there were not very many things open to me. My family were not able to send me to college because there were 5 children behind me to be fed. Um, I had about 2 choices: I could, uh, stay with relatives in the city and go to business college or I could go into nurse’s training. And you know, when you stop and think how much education costs these days, my parents borrowed $50 from the bank to pay my tuition into nursing school. They struggled to give me $1 a month allowance. And that had had to buy my toothpaste and all of the things that I had. And now, when I think of how we throw money [laughter] away, I have more now… Ruth Stewart: [2:21] Mm-hm. Anna Atteberry: …and when I finished nurse’s training, I guess it was just before I finished, was Pearl Harbor. I was working nights and I turned on my little radio and I couldn’t understand why all I was getting was all this static stuff. And, uh, I walked out in the hall and one of the girls said something about, “Do you know that they bombed Pearl Harbor today?” and I remember saying, “Where is Pearl Harbor?” I mean, I really didn’t know. Then I began to really know ‘cause I had a brother there at the time, in the navy, but his ship wasn’t hit. Um, and about that time, I guess everybody may think about going into the service. Everywhere you looked, men were in uniform. Everybody was joining the military, some branch of it. So, when I finished nurse’s training and passed state board, Myrtle Carpenter and I both went in the army together. And we had our choices – uh, we looked at it and we picked the one that was the farthest from home, El Paso, Texas, Fort Bliss. Ruth Stewart: [3:32] Why did you choose the army? Anna Atteberry: Uh, my father had been in the army and, uh, I had a brother that was already in the navy because he was only 13 months younger than I was and he, there was no money for him to go to college so he went in the navy. And then I had another brother who was in the marine corps, well, he had run away from home when he was 16 and had joined the marine corps right after the one went in the navy. So I decided to go in the army and, uh, this was really something. When we got to El Paso, there was a raging sandstorm. Somebody met us at the train and we were taken to the chief nurse’s office and instead of being a shy kid and keeping my mouth shut, I knew you could get transfers, you know, I’d heard about people transfers. My second thing to her was, “When can I get a transfer?” [laughter] “I want to leave this place!” [inaudible 4:28] I later knew her socially and she always laughed about that. Ruth Stewart: [4:33] [laughter] Anna Atteberry: [laughter] Anyway, I got assigned there and we, they had 2 places then, they had [Olway and Beaumont 4:41], which was permanent. But they had opened this cantonment-type hospital that had these wooden ramps and wooden bi-, shoots off of’m and that was a Station Hospital at Fort Bliss. And the nicest thing, across the fence from the hospital was Biggs Air Force Base. They had a nice bunch of young officers over there and, so we enjoyed that, too. So, I began to think about going overseas so I signed up for a hospital ship and mon-, several months went by and I didn’t hear anything on it. Then, all of a sudden, 10 of us were sent to Fort Sam Houston. The 56th Evacuation Hospital, the Baylor Unit of Dallas, didn’t have enough nurses to, they had to have 52 nurses in this hospital group, the 56th Evac. They sent 10 of us from Fort Bliss, 10 of us from Camp Chaffee, Arkansas, and 3 from Fort Lee, Virgin-, uh, Louisiana to complete the 56th Evac. Well, they were all nice but you’ve got to remember, when we first went over, those were Baylor doctors and those were Baylor nurses. They had, they were in charge of the operating room, the mission room, and what have ya. But it was interesting. Ruth Stewart: [6:15] Were they arrogant about it? Anna Atteberry: No, I guess at the time, you know, we were young, you know you’re young at 22, 23 years old and you’re thinking, “Ha! If you’re not a Baylor graduate,” [laughter] “you’re never gonna get anywhere here!” But, when we left, that’s where we learned to drill, at Fort Sam Houston and, you know, you would be surprised, we poor girls – your left from your right, you hear those, we marched on that open field out there. They taught us how to march. Then we went on a train and it was a long train ride to New York. It must have taken us, I know, at least 10 days and we arrived in the middle of the night up in New York. It was north of New York City, I’m trying to remember the name of the place. Cold, it was freezing cold and that’s when we really found out what it was like to rough it. They gave us 2 old wool blankets. These buildings were temporary, you could see the cracks. Even though it’s 4:00 in the morning, you could see daylight from the lights in the place. And it was just this spring on this metal bed so I put the blanket down there and [laughter] we 2 were together still, that we’d been. We decided to pool 2 blankets under us and we slept together on the cot and put the 2 wool blankets on top of us. I guess we stayed there about 10 days ‘til they gave us, checked all of our immunization and everything and then we got on this ship. It was a luxury liner that had been used in the Pacific between San Francisco and Hawaii but it was wall-to-wall people on there. We were in a room that would have been, uh, a single room, maybe a couple, you know, during peace time. There were 16 of us in there. We were stacked like that but, you know, we were, were lucky. The men in the ballroom, that whole thing was a long canvas so they got to [laughter] go like this to get to where they laid down. Ruth Stewart: [8:23] And was this a hospital shit or transport? Anna Atteberry: No, this was a transport. Ruth Stewart: [8:25] Transport. Anna Atteberry: This, uh, Tuskegee Aviators, you know, from Alabama, the black, uh pilots? Ruth Stewart: [8:33] Mm-hm. Anna Atteberry: They were also on that ship. And, uh, we traveled alone. We didn’t do anything. We didn’t do any work or anything like that. There was barely room to move. And we went into Casablanca. And that’s where we first started working. It wasn’t very hard there ‘cause, you know, the troops had moved on ahead and, uh, then we started moving and as the battles would move on, we would set up a hospital. We took care of casualties. We took care of the American casualties, British casualties, any allied casualties. And, um, finally we ended up in Bizerte, Africa, which was in Tunisia and, uh, we had a hospital there – it was an old French barracks and I was in the operating room there. And so a lot of our patients then, uh, were not really casualties until just before the invasion of Sicily in Italy and the Germans started flying over at night and they would bomb the harbor. Well, then we would get a lot of patients then and that was my first chance where I found out you just didn’t work in the daytime; we worked until we took care of all the casualties, which could be 24 hours in the operating room. Later on, we modified that ‘cause we weren’t holding up very well. And then, after they finally secured Sicily and everything, we went in on the invasion of Italy and we landed, uh, at Salerno and it was too shallow to get in where we landed so they let us off in the water. And, of course, you know you’ve got a full pack on and we didn’t have nice uniforms then because, see, they didn’t know what to send nurses over with then and we bought men’s pants and men’s stuff [laughter] and it was all big on you. And the water was just weighing me down! I’ll never forget, I fell on my face. I’m in the water and some sergeant comes by and just stands me up. [laughter] And, uh, we set up a hospital, I guess, there, it was north of Naples and, uh, we’d move with the troops. Our hospitals were not in buildings. We were in tents. And, uh, we ended up that winter on the Cascina front. Ruth Stewart: [11:09] Just before we go on, tell us about setting up a hospital. You say, these, you would follow the invasion as it moved on… Anna Atteberry: Mm-hm. Ruth Stewart: [11:19]…and you would set up, you nurses and doctors would set up a hospital [coughing] in a tent… Anna Atteberry: Right. Ruth Stewart: [11:25] …you would put up a tent. Go on, tell us a little bit about that. Anna Atteberry: Well, the hospital was all tents. We weren’t in buildings there. And, of course, we had men who would put the tents up. Like, the operating room, we had 1 large tent, 1 long tent, and then we had a second tent where all of our supplies were put together and everything. Uh, where we lived were called wall tents, 2 people would occupy them. Now, the men had larger tents where more men were but the officers and nurses were in 2 wall tents. And out, we were on dirt floor. We did not have flooring. We were on the ground. But we still managed to keep everything sterile. We had autoclaves, you know, we had a motor out there, they had set up a motor and we had an autoclave there where we’d sterilize everything. And, uh, I think right now in civilian hospitals, you probably have more infections than we did. And we were an Evacuation Hospital so many of our surgeries were completed back at Station or General Hospitals. Like, on amputations, we did guillotines. The repairs and the making of the flaps and everything were done back at Stations, Generals – see, we had no helicopters then. Ruth Stewart: [12:49] Would they go on by train, or trucks? Anna Atteberry: They’d go by sometimes by train but most of the time by ambulances or trucks if they could sit up. And, uh, sometimes from the General Hospitals, they would wait for hospital ships or else, I think they did transports, some air transports. And, uh, I guess we stayed on that. That was horrible, that Cascina front. The Germans were up on the, in the monastery we stayed there the whole winter and it was thick, black mud. And they’d had to make, uh, packed dirt to where we had pathways, ‘cause you’d step out in that stuff and you’d go up to your knees in it, this black mud. And cold and wet. [laughter] It was just very cold and wet. And we got casualties because, see, they were trying to take that Cascina hill from the Germans and so there were casualties. We had casualties all winter. Of course, uh, when the operating room would slow down, then we’d go out, we’d, some of us would have to go out on the wards because we had a lot of, uh, patients with pneumonia and colds and that sort of stuff. Well, then we were pulled back and went to Anzio. And we sailed, we went all the way back to Naples and we sailed out of there. Ruth Stewart: [14:08] When was that, then? Anna Atteberry: That was in 1943, I guess, I don’t know, ‛44. ‛44, I guess we were in Anzio. I forgot the dates. Anyway, we spent 78 days on Anzio. Uh, we set up, our, all the hospitals were together. The 90-, the 56th Evac, the 93rd Evac, the 95th Evac, the 16th Field was right behind us. And, uh, there, the Germans were up on the mountain and they had those big ol’ guns they would pull out and they would shoot. When you’d hear’m go boom, you’d listen for the whistle and, if you heard the whistle, you knew it was going to the harbor. If you didn’t hear the whistle, you’d [laughter] feel like ducking because they would drop shells in our hospital. We had people that were killed. We had, they also bombed our hospitals. They, they knocked out the 95th in the broad daylight one afternoon at 3:00. And, you know, you would be scrubbed up in surgery and, uh, even if they weren’t bombing you, if our, if we were shelling these planes, all this flack would fall. You’d be in the operating room and these big ol’ metal flack would come through the canvas. And, you know, you couldn’t run off or anything. I mean, you had to stay in there. But, uh, it, I guess now when I look back on it, it was almost primitive medicine but, yet, it was very good surgery we did. And we gave the patients very good care. Ruth Stewart: [15:49] Mm-hm. Anna Atteberry: You know, even out on the wards. My friends who worked on the medical, in the medical tents, the patients all got their medications on time and, I thi-, I thought we did pretty good. Then, after we came back from Anzio, somebody, we left everything. When a new hospital came in and replaced us, we had to leave all of our equipment behind. We have to leave all of our setup. And we came back to Italy and we took over all of their equipment and what they had left behind. Ruth Stewart: [16:26] Why was this uh, uh followed up? I mean, was the next hospital that came in to follow you or the next group to take over, were they a different kind of care? Anna Atteberry: No. Ruth Stewart: [16:41] Or just to move them or give you some relief, or… Anna Atteberry: No, they decided that we all were getting pretty battle-weary and they replaced us. And we went, and then they had to push through to Rome. And, uh, that moved pretty fast. And we were in a building. We set up in a building, believe it or not, in Rome. It might have been bombed out in the middle and we had to [laughter] go around but we actually were inside. We had a hospital inside of a building. That was a treat! And I stayed with the 56th then until they were south of, uh, Rome, I mean, south of [inaudible 17:25] and then I came all the way back. I was transferred out of the unit with another girl. She, she was an anesthetist and we went to France with the 10th Field. And the 10th Field worked in, uh, they worked different than the Evac Hospital. There was like 6 of us and 3 doctors and corpsmen. We were divided into 3 different groups. Uh, the chief nurse and the commander, I never saw them but about twice, they were way back behind us somewhere in the headquarters. And, with the Field Hospital, you took care of the casualties and, if they were transportable, you sent them on back. If your patients, the front, they moved fast in southern France. Uh, if you had a patient that was non-transportable, they left a nurse, a doctor, 2 corpsmen, and a truck driver behind with the, with the patients. Either they passed on and you notified grave registration to pick’m up or they were finally able to transport’m, then we would catch up with the group we were with again. Ruth Stewart: [18:44] How, how would you travel, then? You had a truck? Anna Atteberry: We would travel in that truck. Ruth Stewart: [18:47] You had a truck. Anna Atteberry: See, we stayed all in this one big tent. Ruth Stewart: [18:50] And the truck driver was your transport methodology? Anna Atteberry: Mm-hm. And then we’d catch up with the, with the, our unit again but I didn’t, our, our surgery there and our care there was a lot different than 56th because it was strictly taking care of patients that were really bad, and most of those died. Now, you got a helicopter to pick’m up. You know, you don’t have – I don’t think they do that anymore. They got, you, you can get hit in Iraq right now and you can be at Brooks General, what, in 48 hours? Or 72 hours? That’s the reason from Vietnam you have so many double and triple amputees that you saw through the years. Because they could get, uh, hurt in Vietnam and they could be out here at Brooks General in 48 hours. ‘Cause I know when my husband used to go to the pool for physical ed, out at that warm pool, there were a lot of the Vietnam fellows out there, amputees, in the pool and that’s the reason so many of’m lived. World War II, many of’m didn’t live because they could not be evacuated by the States as quickly. You know, to get the care they get now. I don’t know if sometimes when you see the conditions some of’m were in, I don’t know whether [inaudible 20:17] be saying that [inaudible 20:18. I left the 10th Field when I became ill and I came back to the States as a patient. And once I got off the patient status, I went to a General Hospital in the United States at McKinney, Texas, Ashburn General. And I saw patients there that had been there for many years from World War II, I mean, they were, they had, uh, been amputees some of’m. They were still patients there. Some of’m had been hurt real bad. I had a ward there. I didn’t work in the operating room. And I had a tendency to spoil my patients, especially the ones who had been, you know, hurt overseas during the war. I especially remembered one person – I’ve often wondered how he made it. Uh, he was a Mexican. His name was [Torres 21:17] and he had been hurt in the South Pacific. He was a master sergeant. He had to be good to have been a master sergeant then. And he was, had been badly injured and he was very crippled. His leg was real short. He’d get bouts of malaria and I think some of the – he’d been around Ashburn a long time and they had kind of classified him as a bad boy. And they couldn’t understand why I spoiled him and I didn’t have any trouble with him. Well, I just, I think I understood him. I really did, I understood him. I knew why he did some of the things he did and, um, he didn’t, sometimes he didn’t want to get up in the morning. Well, he always made up his own bed so I didn’t insist that he get out of the bed in the morning. And I had a young, uh, female – they called’m WACs – she goes over there and rolls his bed up as high as she could roll it up and, all of a sudden, he throws something and it hits her. Well, my goodness, she’s going to get him court martialed, you know? I said, “Well, I told you to leave him alone!” and they came down and asked for a statement from me and I guess I kind of fibbed. I said I didn’t see anything sail and hit her. I just couldn’t see having this man ruined. I mean, he’d been a patient there for, what? They said he’d been there 4 years and he had been in the military for about over, I guess, 15 or 16 years. He needed that retirement. I just could not see him being ruined. I just couldn’t. Ruth Stewart: [23:01] Now, I’m not understanding, I thought you said you went back there as a patient. Anna Atteberry: Oh, no, I came back to Fitzsimmons as a patient. Ruth Stewart: [23:09] Now, what’s the order of that? Were you at Fitzsimmons after? Anna Atteberry: When I left, when I left overseas, I came back as a patient. I was on a hospital train coming down through France. I was on a hospital ship and I was on a hospital train all the way across the United States to Brook-, to Fitzsimmons General Hospital. Ruth Stewart: [23:28] That was before McKinney? Anna Atteberry: That was before McKinney. Ruth Stewart: [23:31] Okay, I got all that wrong then. Anna Atteberry: You see, I don’t, I, guess I, I lapsed out of it when I was a patient (inaudible 23:40] York City, the Army Nurse Corps had set up a hospital on 5th Avenue in a building, you know, like it had, you know, the Air Evac, you had a Station Hospital, and all these people would come through and live there, you know, we had all these nurses here, we’d point out the stuff. And I was there. They had triplets who were in the army, the only triplets in the Army Nurse Corps. Their last name was [Shapleer 24:04], I think. I lost contact with’m. And they were there, of course. [laughter] And there were 2 that had been POWs, um, in the Philippines and they were there, too. We were all, you know, shoring around. Got good tickets to all the good shows and stuff, you know, they’d give us… Ruth Stewart: [24:27] You mentioned that you had to go to New York in relation to the Avon Award. Tell us a little bit about that background on that Avon Award. Anna Atteberry: On the Avon Award? I got the Avon Award in Dallas, Texas at the Cotton Bowl. That’s where they came and presented it to me. And, um, they had a banquet at the Adolphus and the mayor of Dallas crowned me with the Stetson, only I never got the Stetson. [laughter] Somebody in Texas gave me the belt, had the belt, the boots, which I never got. [laughter] I didn’t pursue it but I never did get them. And, uh, then, while I was in New York with this, with the military hospital displayed there on 5th Avenue, um, the Avon people also, uh, took me to places like the Starck Club and, uh, to some of the other places for dinner, Toots Shor’s for lunch and that kind of, you know, they were getting their publicity out of it, too. I don’t mean to sound [laughter], but it’s true, isn’t it? [laughter] I got flattered. [laughter] And, uh, then the last thing, I guess the last time I had to go to New York in the military from Ashburn General, this was the last, uh, they used to have a radio show called We the People, and I got sent there for We th-, Major Edith Ames met me there at the train, ‘cause she had arranged it all, ‘cause she was in the Surgeon’s office in, uh, Washington, D.C., and I was on We the People and there was a lieutenant, he had something to get done and, uh, Tyrone [Powers’ 26:21] wife, Annabella, was on the program, too, you know. They always had to have a celebrity. And, uh… Ruth Stewart: [26:27] But you were a celebrity! Anna Atteberry: [laughter] I didn’t feel like one. And, you know, and then, um, I had to go another place while I was there. Uh, I can’t even remember the playwright’s name. He had to question you. Helen Hayes had a show where she would, they would, uh, have a, a, a show each week on that. But he didn’t choose mine because he was very impatient with me. I, I think he wanted, uh, blood and gore and I [laughter] just wasn’t about to do that, you know? Ruth Stewart: [27:04] Mm-hm. Anna Atteberry: He wanted to know what it felt like to see somebody’s arm or leg amputated. What do you do? Do you throw it in a bucket? Ruth Stewart: [27:12] Mm. Anna Atteberry: And, you know, I just, I wasn’t a good subject. I wasn’t a good subject. I… Ruth Stewart: [27:18] I can understand that. Anna Atteberry: I, I just couldn’t. Ruth Stewart: [27:20] Now, the Avon Award, you said you had no idea how you were nominated for that. Anna Atteberry: I have no idea to this day. They say in this book they’ve got a lot of’m in there that got, they all got bonds. I got $1000 bond – that was a big deal then! But, you see, here’s some more nurse, here’s some more women. They all got, they, they got $100 bonds. Ruth Stewart: [27:44] Were they Avon Awards or a different award? Anna Atteberry: They got Avon Awards but they didn’t get, they didn’t get the [Plum 27:49]. I got the [Plum 27:50]. [laughter] Ruth Stewart: [27:51] Oh, okay. Okay. Patricia Martin: [27:54] This explains it. Ruth Stewart: [27:57] I can’t [inaudible 27:57]. Anna Atteberry: I don’t know, they had a, uh, I think they named [Fannie Hurst and John Bowls 28:01], they had a committee that selected me out of this group. I have no idea how I ever got placed with this – to this day, I do not know. When I asked the Avon people, you know, it was like this, I really don’t know whether they saw my picture in the paper or what they saw. Ruth Stewart: [28:28] Well, thank you very much for all this interesting information that you’ve provided. Anna Atteberry: It’s hard to remember back on some of this stuff, you know? Ruth Stewart: [28:34] I think you’ve, you have a remarkable memory. Anna Atteberry: I don’t… Ruth Stewart: [28:37] Since you l-, Anna Atteberry: It’s not easy to talk about this, you know? I don’t like to talk about myself. Somebody told me once, who was it? I was with so-, oh, it was Gary Cooper one time on some [inaudible 28:49] drive thing there. He said, “Fame is fleeting. Hang on it while you can.” And I thought, “I don’t want any fame!” [laughter] “I just want to be my plain ol’ self! [laughter] See, this was taken when I came, they dressed me before I got off the hospital ship, ‘cause, see, I was a patient, and photographers came and took pictures of all we people that were coming in on the hospital ship. There were 5 – let’s see, there was the WAC who’d been hurt real bad, it was me, it was a pregnant USO worker, and it was a gold brick, a corporal. [laughter] And they had me dressed – I didn’t even have a cap or anything and they took this picture. And I’ve often wondered if this appeared in a paper or something and if Avon, if this is how they got it. I really don’t know. ‘Cause I sent my dad the picture, I got the picture. Ruth Stewart: [29:45] Mm-hm. Anna Atteberry: But my mother wasn’t impressed with all this stuff, you know; she, ‘cause she had 3 children in the military. She wasn’t impressed! Ruth Stewart: [29:54] Did, did your time in your work, your time in the military, and your work with patients in the military, and living with people in some of these cultures – did that make any kind of a difference in your life? That it carried on into your life from there on? Anna Atteberry: No. See, in Italy, I knew the Italians but we weren’t in close contact with’m. You know, really, we weren’t, uh, they were very, they, they were poor. I guess, uh, Mussolini, you know, had, had not been very kind to some of’m. Of course, they all hated Mussolini, when we come along, they all hated Mussolini. And in southern France, this is what I never could understand, in southern France, they had all these able-bodied men running around. Here we are fighting their war and we have all these able-bodied men – they weren’t in the French Army. I know, when I was in the 10th Field, I hadn’t been paid in a long time and, you know, we used to get these rations where they’d have a little coffee and cigarettes and all that stuff in there. And this friend and I, we didn’t have any money. There was a lot of perfume to be bought around Grenoble. And I said, “You know, we’ve got to have some money,” and she [laughter] said, “Well, where are we gonna get it from?” and I said, “I don’t know!” I said, let’s, we put it all in a, a sack there and went into the barbershop, in this men’s barbershop, I said, “Anybody want coffee? Cigarettes?” All these men popped out, you know, you only had about 4 cigarettes in each one of these little packs? We sold’m for francs and we had some money to buy some perfume! [laughter] I think this was my ID thing, I guess, when I went, when I came in the military. The war department the other day. Well, I, you know, it’s really hard to really talk about any of this. I, I ju-, you kn-, uh, when I stop and think when I went overseas, there were 52 nurses and I only know of 4 of us that are still living. I was next to the youngest. The youngest one lives up here at Wagoner, Oklahoma. She retired from the VA. She went to Korea. She stayed in the army a while. The one I finished school with, she is 89 years old. She moved back to Louisiana, she and her husband. They lived in Arizona a long time. And the other one, the last I heard, she lived up in Minnesota somewhere. She went to anesthesia school a-, afterward. She got married and she had 4 children. And the rest of’m have passed on. I mean, it’s just like this picture that I showed you in this book here, where we were all sitting in a group. We were on that British ammunition ship. Every last one of’m are dead except me. Ruth Stewart: [32:48] Have you been involved in any military or veterans’ organizations since you’ve, uh, since [inaudible 32:55]? Anna Atteberry: Only the WOSL. I used to go all the time to WOSL. Ruth Stewart: [32:55] WOSL. Anna Atteberry: One of my good friends, Madge Teague, belonged there and she, she was in the 56th with me. Now, she retired from the army and she died some years ago. And I guess after I moved over here and Madge died, I quit going to WOSL. ‘Cause we used to always meet together. Ruth Stewart: [33:16] Mm-hm. Anna Atteberry: And she’s buried out at Fort Sam. But now, she did, she did retire from the army. Ruth Stewart: [33:24] Well, we’ll wind up this tape now but we really do appreciate all the, that you have gone ahead and discussed [inaudible 33:32]. Anna Atteberry: Now where does… /ab